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Christopher Hitchens weighs in on the increasing “white minority” syndrome that plagues America:

“One crucial element of the American subconscious is about to become salient and explicit and highly volatile. It is the realization that white America is within thinkable distance of a moment when it will no longer be the majority. This awareness already exists in places like New York and Texas and California, and there have even been projections of the time(s) at which it will occur and when different nonwhite populations will collectively outnumber the former white majority. But it also exerts a strong subliminal effect in states like Alaska that have an overwhelming white preponderance.

Until recently, the tendency has been to think of this rather than to speak of it—or to speak of it very delicately, lest the hard-won ideal of diversity be imperiled. But nobody with any feeling for the zeitgeist can avoid noticing the symptoms of white unease and the additionally uneasy forms that its expression is beginning to take.

For example, so strong is the moral stature of the Rev. Dr Martin Luther King Jr. and the civil rights movement that even the white right prefers to pretend to emulate it. (This smarmy tactic long predates Glenn Beck, by the way: I remember Ralph Reed trying it when he ran the Christian Coalition more than 10 years ago and announced that he wanted to remodel the organization along the lines of the Southern Christian Leadership Conference.) Thus, it is really quite rare to hear slurs against President Barack Obama that are based purely on the color of his skin. Even Beck himself has tried to back away from the smears of that kind that he has spread in the past. But it is increasingly common to hear allegations that Obama is either foreign-born or a Muslim. And these insinuations are perfectly emblematic of the two main fears of the old majority: that it will be submerged by an influx from beyond the borders and that it will be challenged in its traditional ways and faiths by an alien and largely Third World religion….”

…Continue Reading on Slate.com

From Time.com

How do you atone for something terrible, like the Inquisition? Joseph Ratzinger attempted to do just that for the Roman Catholic Church during a grandiose display of Vatican penance — the Day of Pardon on March 12, 2000, a ritual presided over by Pope John Paul II and meant to purify two millenniums of church history. In the presence of a wooden crucifix that had survived every siege of Rome since the 15th century, high-ranking

Pope Benedict sporting his red leather shoes, a far cry from the sandals and lowly garb Jesus might have worn.

Cardinals and bishops stood up to confess to sins against indigenous peoples, women, Jews, cultural minorities and other Christians and religions. Ratzinger was the appropriate choice to represent the fearsome Holy Office of the Inquisition: the German Cardinal was, at the time, head of its historical successor, the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith. When his turn came, Ratzinger, the church’s premier theologian, intoned a short prayer that said “that even men of the church, in the name of faith and morals, have sometimes used methods not in keeping with the Gospel in the solemn duty of defending the truth.”

If you detect ambivalence in those words, you are on the road to understanding the difficulty Ratzinger — now Pope Benedict XVI — faces in leading the Catholic Church to properly atone for another stain on its history: the decades of cases of child abuse by priests and cover-ups by their bishops. And while a well-placed Cardinal has publicly speculated that Benedict will deliver a mea culpa in early June, the words of that apology — if that is what it proves to be — will be severely limited by theology, history and the very person and office of the Pope. It is unlikely to satisfy the many members of Benedict’s flock who want a very modern kind of accountability, not just mealymouthed declarations buttressed by arcane religious philosophy. “Someone once told me that if the church survived the Inquisition, it can survive this,” says Olan Horne, 50, an American victim of priestly abuse. “But these are different times. And right now, the modern world is wrapping its head around the Catholic Church in a major way.”

The crisis facing the church is deeply complicated by the fact that in 1980, as Archbishop of Munich, the future Benedict XVI appears to have mismanaged the assignment of an accused pedophile priest under his charge. That revelation — and questions about Ratzinger’s subsequent oversight of cases as a top Vatican official — has been the trigger in turning a rolling series of national scandals into an epic and existential test for the universal church, its leader and its faithful alike. It has blunted Benedict’s ambitious enterprise of re-evangelizing Europe, the old Christendom. Over the past two months, the Pope has led the Holy See’s shift from silence and denial to calls to face the enemies from within the church. What is still missing, however, is any mention of the Holy Father’s alleged role in the scandal. Can the Pope, the living embodiment of the ancient Gospel and absolute spiritual leader of the world’s 1.2 billion Catholics, publicly atone for his sins and yet preserve the theological impregnability of the papacy?

Without alluding to the crisis, Benedict told his May 26 audience in St. Peter’s Square that “not even the Pope can do what he wants. On the contrary, the Pope is the guardian of obedience to Christ, to his Word.”

Benedict now seems to understand the stakes. But Alberto Melloni, a church historian at the University of Modena, says other power brokers in the Vatican think the church can just ride out the storm. “They don’t realize the deep bitterness among the faithful, the isolation of the clergy. We can’t predict where this is going to wind up.” Speaking to TIME, a senior Vatican official foresees immense consequences for the entire church. “History comes down to certain key episodes,” he says. “We’re facing one of those moments now.” 

At the Heart of the Darkness
In the end, the test is not about doctrine or dogma, not even about the wording of mea culpas and the resignation or prosecution of prelates. It is, rather, about the voices of children finally crying out, long after their childhood. Listen to Bernie McDaid’s story and you will know why St. Peter’s trembles.

“He grabbed me, tickling and wrestling like I did with my dad, and I thought at first it was fun,” McDaid, who grew up in Salem, Mass., says of a parish priest. “But then something changed … He started grabbing my genitals. I felt him rubbing against me from behind … I was so scared. I knew this was so wrong. I looked out the window. I started praying.” That would happen again and again over three years. McDaid’s devout mother was delighted whenever the priest arrived to pick up her son, just 11 when the abuse started, to join other boys on trips to the beach. But, recalls McDaid, now 54, “the last boy out of the car was the one who would get molested.” He finally spoke to his dad, who then took him to a priest from the next town to report what had happened. “We waited for months. Then there was a rotation of priests. He left, but they made it look like a natural progression. They celebrated him with cake and ice cream.” The boy was left in silence and with his secret shame. The priest, Father Joseph Birmingham, went on to abuse boys in three other parishes in the Boston area before he died in 1989.

CHAPTER IV. MAKING NO SENSE OF IT ALL


Ego Problem

Humility must be my plan.

Worship Jesus as much as I can.

He wants me to praise him!

(Why did Mary raise him

to be such an arrogant man?)


Lost Cause

Lord God made a pretty bad bet

sending Jesus to settle my debt.

He who died for my sins

can just do it again

‘cause I ain’t stopped committin’ ‘em yet.

Intercession

Sweet Jesus, you know I adore you,

but plenty of folks lived before you.

You came late to the scene

if you know what I mean.

Have mercy on them, I implore you.

J.C., you have always been kind.

Here’s a thought that I hope you won’t mind.

You could hold make-up classes

to save all their asses

and get yourself out of this bind.

Holy Arithmetic

I can picture the Heavenly Host -

But a Father, a Son and a Ghost?

How one dude can be three

is a mystery to me –

That’s the puzzle that puzzles me most.

Heavenly Choices

Some problems with heaven disturb me.

Won’t those stuffy Believers perturb me?

Do I get a new body?

Do I get to be naughty?

Or will God and his crew try to curb me?

Lord, you’ve promised no sorrow or woe there.

And the angels put on quite a show there.

Here’s the question complex:

Do the angels like sex?

If it’s no, then I don’t want to go there.

Fishers of Men

(Fish? Or Cut Bait?)

Christ said, Fish for men in the sea!

I’ve taken his words literally.

But I cast my net down

and I pull up a clown.

That advice isn’t workin’ for me.

The Gospel, According to Mason and Dixon

In the South there are Christians galore.

These people adore keeping score.

Being gay is a sin,

if you’re poor you can’t win,

if you’re black they subtract even more.

The Savior, who sees this as well,

thinks His lessons were clear as a bell.

These folks aren’t worth savin’

the way they’re behavin’ –

I’m sendin’ ‘em all straight to Hell.


J. C. Is O.K.

J. C. was a very cool dude –

way ahead of his time (which was crude.)

We could use him these days -

the Progressives would praise,

but Conservatives might come unglued.

But Is God A Republican?

That question is worth some debate.

Democratic ideals aren’t so great.

Jesus talked about caring

and giving and sharing

but strong folks need someone to hate.

Our wealth we must never deplete.

All these hand-outs could spell our defeat.

And when things go awry

blame some devilish guy.

That’s the sensible way to compete.

God Talks with Al Gore About Global Warming

You – and your science – are small.

You forget whose controlling it all.

I hate to defy you

but if I want to fry you

I won’t need those charts on the wall.

Diagnosing the Christian Deity

This case is exceedingly odd.

The guy’s got his shorts in a wad.

His delusions are grand

and he can’t understand

his name is not Almighty God.

Though he talks like a happy high-liver,

his tantrums can make a man quiver.

Mood swings are excessive -

he’s passive-aggressive,

makes promises he can’t deliver.

Sometimes he’s quite a cajoler –

more often a nasty controller.

Today – a cool sage.

Tomorrow – hot rage!

This God-boy is clearly bi-polar.

The Fundamental Facts

Evolution is really quite odd -

a theory we cannot applaud.

You find scholars impressive?

These fools are obsessive -

and EVIL for challenging God!

Poor Darwin did not recognize

that Truth must descend from the skies.

Let me ask once again:

Are you monkeys or men?

Good men never monkey with lies!

Riddle: Where In Hell Are We?

The heat from this place can be felt

when your brain does a gradual melt.

It’s quite large, but feels tight

when you don’t behave right.

Give up? It’s your own Bible Belt!


Another Riddle

Christians have put their own spin

on manners and morals and sin.

There’s not much they miss,

but with angels they guess

How many can dance on a pin?


Why Won’t God Reveal Himself?

I used to enjoy blind-man’s-bluff,

hide-and-seek, and other kid-stuff.

But this Hider’s still hidin’.

that’s why I’m decidin’

This game has gone on long enough.

Devilish Logic

Sometimes I express my frustration

with a world full of cruel devastation.

Then some church-going jerk

tells me: Satan’s at work!

But God is in charge of salvation!


Pastoral Counseling

If you think you’re a miserable sinner,

and your prospects for Heaven grow thinner,

Don’t despair; just BELIEVE!

God has tricks up his sleeve.

He could still declare you a winner.

Free At Last!

I have prayed, I have bowed, I have scraped.

My brain has been washed and reshaped.

Now this 3-in-1 God

is revealed as a fraud.

Thank the Lord, I have finally escaped!

ACKNOWLEDGEMENTS

I humbly thank and dedicate this outrageous little book -

To my dear dad, who loved Limericks, and who would be sitting high in Paradise, if only it existed.

To the dedicated church and Sunday school preachers and teachers who did they best to imbue me with their versions of Truth.

To my mother, who was always mercifully silent on such subjects.

To my three deeply moral and highly irreverent sisters.

To my honest old aunty who, on my Lutheran confirmation day, looked me straight in the eyes and said, “You don’t really believe all that crap, do you?”

And to many God-fearing Christian friends who have helped me to understand how seriously I reject their view of this world and whatever lies beyond. Such faith leaves me in a state of shock and awe.

- PeachTree Grandma

The Unholy Scriptures: Summarized and Pulverized used with permission by LiberatedMind.com

CHAPTER III. GETTING THE WORD OUT


The Council of Nicaea

(Or: The Value of a Good Editor)

Boys, you’ve written a good, strong beginnin’

Now follow with plenty of sinnin’.

We need rape, we need war,

and a whole lot of gore,

and nothin’ that’s written by women.

That virginal twist was inspired.

What talented fellas I hired!

A bush that is burnin’

will keep pages turnin’

but poetry sure makes me tired.

Your description of heaven is swell.

Let’s expand on the fires of hell.

Boys, we’re nearly all done

and I do hafta run –

Do you think that this damned thing will sell?

Editing Genesis

Okay, fellas, gimme a break.

I’m a writer myself, for Christ’s sake!

That garden, I’ll buy -

and a weak-minded guy -

but you can’t keep the talking snake!

Editing the Virgin Birth

That’s an awfully bold fiction we’re shovin’

on people who understand lovin’.

But keep it! That story

leads Mary to glory,

along with the Bun in her oven.

The Easter Story (First Draft)

This chapter’s in really rough shape.

It reads like the work of an ape!

Can we leave this alone?

Empty tomb? Rolling stone?

A dead guy who makes his escape?

Nah, it won’t need a whole lot of fixin’ –

We do have one huge contradiction:

Nobody can rise

From a violent demise.

Let’s label it Creative Fiction!


The First Rejection Note

Such stories! How did you conceive ‘em?

You must have been tempted to heave ‘em!

Some tales are so wild

they would boggle a child.

Did you really believe we’d believe ‘em?

Acceptance – At Last!

I can’t say it doesn’t have flaws,

but we’ll publish this thing, just because

these words will control

the most miserable soul.

Yes, you’ve earned our respect and applause.

Human beings want to feel they are blessed.

Who wants a reality test?

Simple rulebooks are fine

to keep masses in line

but a guy in the sky is the best!


Public Relations

(Slogan: Truth or Consequences)

This Book contains God’s holy story –

a message of peace, hope and glory.

Anyone to reject it

is gonna regret it!

By God, make the consequence gory!

Things Get Ugly

Here’s my quick-and-dirty rendition

of a horror they called Inquisition.

Things got tougher and tougher -

but many must suffer

when God fortifies his position.

The Reformation

(Or: Martin Luther, the Decider)

Some say I am just splitting hairs,

but this Bible needs further repairs

so peasants can read it –

they’re the ones who will need it –

they can’t go through life unawares!

Pompous words are a problem to me.

They’re not user-friendly, you see.

Now, the miracles stay –

those are needed today –

people like magic acts, I agree.

That cannibal stuff needs revision –

I don’t care if I suffer derision.

Eat BREAD and drink WINE

or you’re no friend of mine.

That’s my answer! My final decision!

Next and last, Chapter 4 tomorrow!

The Unholy Scriptures: Summarized and Pulverized used with permission by LiberatedMind.com

Continued from Chapter I.  Written by PeachTree Grandma.

CHAPTER II. THE NEW TESTAMENT


The Not-So-Immaculate Conception

Christian girls know that sex is taboo –

so many fun things they can’t do.

Mary sinned and she hid it.

She said a Ghost did it.

(Don’t know how she sold that, do you?)


Finding the Christ Child

Have you tried to follow a star?

That tactic won’t get you too far.

A star will elude

and you’ll have to conclude

that wherever you go, there you are.

Temple Elders Discuss the Boy Wonder

My God, but this kid takes the prize.”

I can hardly believe my own eyes!”

I say that he’s fakin’!”

Bets need to be taken!”

A wise-ass? Or wonderfully wise?”

The Groupies

Twelve disciples – not one with a mate –

hanging out with The Lord until late.

I make no suggestion -

I just raise the question:

Do YOU think those cowboys were straight?


The Apostle Paul’s Conversion

(Or: A Funny Thing Happened on the Road to Damascus . . .)

There once was a tyrant named Saul.

That king wasn’t Godly at all.

God said, Presto! You’re blind!

Now maybe you’ll mind!

And that is how Saul became Paul.

Paul’s Advice Regarding Marriage

(Or: How to Douse Your Passion in a Jiffy)

After that, Paul was pretty uptight.

Hot sex really gave him a fright.

Better marry than burn!”

That’s what he’d have us learn.

(I’m not too convinced he was right.)

Magic Trick #1: The Wedding at Cana

With the wine gone, the guests got abusive.

Jesus said, Please don’t think me intrusive.

I’ll make everything fine –

I’ll turn water to wine!

(That’s a miracle I could make use of!)

Magic Trick #2: Jesus Feeds the Multitudes

A boy with five loaves and three fishes

tried to satisfy everyone’s wishes.

Jesus looked to the sky,

shouted out MULTIPLY!

And behold! He filled hundreds of dishes!

Cheap Tricks (#3 and 4):

Jesus bragged, I don’t know if I ought-er -

but I can raise up your dead daughter.

What’s more, if you like,

I can take a wet hike.

Watch me! I am walkin’ on water!


Jesus Expels Money-Changers From the Temple

When money-men counted their loot

Our Lord had to give ‘em the boot.

Oh, what would he say

about Wall Street today?

Holy Moses! This place is a hoot!

On the Road to Emmaus

Down the road two disciples were goin’

when a spook up ahead started glowin’.

That’s our dead friend, J.C.!

He’s alive as can be!

What a sad lack of faith we’ve been showin’!


Cleanliness is Next to Godliness

His robes were as white as the snow -

quite a trick in the desert, you know.

Jesus knew how to groom

from manger to tomb –

as the Hollywood movies will show.

Jesus Is Finished

A Limerick is not the right format

for death – so I will not explore that.

God asked him to die

And he had to comply.

Oh, why was he such a damned doormat?

Next up, Chapter III!

The Unholy Scriptures: Summarized and Pulverized used with permission by LiberatedMind.com

A dear reader of mine wrote these witty limericks about the bible.  She asked that her identity be anonymous and took on the pen name “PeachTree Grandma”.  She tells me her grandchildren are having their brains washed and spun-dry in a fundamental Christian school every day, plus church on Sunday, which breaks her heart.  These delightful writings poke fun at the ludicrous bible stories, enjoy and please comment below if you have the time.  I am certain she would appreciate feedback. :)

THE UNHOLY SCRIPTURES:

Summarized and Pulverized

by PEACHTREE GRANDMA

FOREWORD

This was written from utter frustration

Now I’m sending it out to the nation.

Freethinkers, unite!

We must fight for the right

To engage in some sane conversation.

CHAPTER I. THE OLD TESTAMENT


In the Beginning

Modern scholars, who claim to be bright

say the world wasn’t built overnight.

That thinking must go.

This is God’s Magic Show –

fast-moving, designed to excite.

First act was a lighting display,

Making sunshine was mere child’s play.

Then he strung up the stars,

and the ball we call ours.

(He’s holding those strings yet today.)

Wind and water were next; after that,

forms of life – tall and small, fat and flat.

He performed for six days,

then He needed some praise

so He pulled YOU and ME from his hat!

Paradise Lost

Eden was such a fine place,

but Adam and Eve fell from grace.

A forked tongue was to blame –

yes, a snake brought them shame.

God hissed, What an utter disgrace!


And God’s heart continued to harden.

He was not in the mood for a pardon.

I’ll make you aware

that your bodies are bare,

then kick your butts out of this garden!


High and Dry

It’s your duty, Noah! Don’t shrink!

Go build me a ship that won’t sink.

Bring the critters aboard!

Don’t complain to the Lord!

You’ll get used to the almighty stink.

Bring some dinosaurs too – don’t forget ‘em.

They might go extinct if we let ‘em.

Bring extras! I fear

we have meat-eaters here

and it wouldn’t be wise to upset ‘em.

Forty days, forty nights they all float.

They get off on a mountain remote.

What? You think it’s a fable?

Well, swim if you’re able!

You don’t get to ride on our boat!

Joseph and his Dandy Coat

Joseph’s dad liked him better than best -

Gave him clothes that outdid all the rest.

Said his mean, jealous brothers,

If we had our druthers,

we’d put this young buck to the test.

Let’s throw his ass down a deep well!

That’s something he won’t live to tell!

But God helped him out –

(This gets lengthy, no doubt.

Short version: It all turned out swell.)

Jonah Gets Lucky

A whale swimming deep in the sea

sucked in Jonah as slick as could be,

Spit him back – a whole man!

(Swallow that, if you can

but it sounds pretty fishy to me.)


Daniel Gets Lucky Too!

Now picture this scene: (I’m sure tryin’!)

A boy and a ravenous lion.

The kid’s in a huddle,

the beast wants to cuddle.

(Do ya’ think it’s the lion that’s lyin’?)


Shadrak, Meshak, and Abendigo

Three fellas with weird-sounding names

got a chance to go dance in the flames

They should have been torched

but they weren’t even scorched.

Why CAN’T God keep playing these games?


A Towering Truth

Some Biblical types were hardscrabble.

The worst were no better than rabble.

They hollered in tongues

at the top of their lungs.

and that’s how we got the word BABBLE.


David Slays Goliath

His slingshot was merely a toy

and David was such a small boy.

Yet he killed a giant tall

with no trouble at all.

(Now a tale that tall I enjoy!)


Biblical Hussies

A. Delilah Cuts Up

That girl is a Biblical floozy.

With partners she’s never been choosy

Sampson falls in her lair.

She cuts off his hair –

(Read the story – it’s really a doozy!)

B. Salome Cuts Down John-the-Baptist

This hussy sure knows how to swish.

King says, Darlin, what is you wish?

She says: John-Boy – DEAD! I want his fat head!

Cut it off! Bring it here on a dish!


C. Lot’s Wife Is Petrified

God declares: Soddom’s a hole!

Better leave before heads start to roll.

Straight ahead! Do not halt!

Or I’ll turn you to salt!

But that woman has no self-control

Moses Leads His People Out of Egypt

The desert would have to be crossed,

though the map and directions were tossed.

They wandered and wandered,

four decades they squandered.

Their leader was hopelessly lost.

They found moral guidance, however –

ten rules to confuse us forever:

Don’t be crude! Don’t have fun!

Worship Me, or you’re done!

All in all, quite a useless endeavor.

More About Moses and Those Blasted Commandments

Moses hiked up Mt. Sinai alone

to follow a light he’d been shown.

He and God had a talk;

God wrote rules on a rock.

(Who says nothing’s written in stone?)

Manna in the Desert

When travelers were in a bad way,

God used to throw manna, they say.

Many folks are still needy,

but God’s gotten greedy.

He’s tossin’ no biscuits today.

Moses Parts the Waters

Did you know the Red Sea can divide?

Make a passage that’s straight, dry and wide?

There isn’t much to it,

but in order to do it,

you have to have God on your side.

Once all the good guys have passed through,

here’s another cool trick you can do:

Close that ocean up tight!

It’s a rib-tickling sight

when you drown all the clowns who pursue!

Chapter II: The New Testament is up next!

The Unholy Scriptures: Summarized and Pulverized used with permission by LiberatedMind.com

Pope Benedict this Palm Sunday dismissed the “petty gossip” of the allegations during his homily. The recent scandal rocking the Catholic Church involves a Wisconsin Priest who raped over 200 deaf boys and had his case dismissed by Pope Benedict (then Cardinal Ratzinger).  Could the Pope possibly minimize the grotesque nature of child rape even more? The Church has been more concerned with covering it’s own backside than it is with solving the widespread problem of child rape in the priesthood.  It is much more concerned with it’s public image than it is concerned with admitting faults and making amends with the victims.

Christopher Hitchens discusses this topic on Bill Maher’s March 26th 2010 HBO show. Video Transcript excerpt:

“It’s funny because in this society… Even in prisons, there is a hierarchy of crimes.  The child molesters are the ones who even hardened criminals shun, or actually kill.” – Maher

“This is the one crime no one can think about without vomiting, that the once great, moral church wants wiggle room for” -Hitchens

Letter to A Christian Nation was the first of Sam Harris' books that I picked up. Gathering assumptions from the title, I anticipated a book geared towards the religious infiltration into American politics. I found a bit of that mixed into Sam's book, but even better I found his straightforward approach to tackling American fundamentalists brilliantly refreshing. Written in the first person,[amazon ASIN="978-0307278777"]Letter to a Christian Nation[/amazon] bluntly points out the hypocracies American fundamentalist Christians show in opposing Muslim fundamentalists. Before doing this, he compactly brings down every major dogma of Christianity, laying the ground work for the final punch at the end. He rightly suggests that in order to combat the religious nonsense that drives Muslim suicide attacks, American Christians need to turn that finger around and examine their own radical, exclusive belief system.

Letter to A Christian Nation was the first of Sam Harris‘ books that I picked up.  Gathering assumptions from the title, I anticipated a book geared towards the religious infiltration into American politics.  I found a bit of that mixed into Sam’s book, but even better I found his straightforward approach to tackling American fundamentalists brilliantly refreshing.  Written in the first person, Letter to a Christian Nation bluntly points out the hypocrisies American fundamentalist Christians show in opposing Muslim fundamentalists.  Before doing this, he compactly brings down every major dogma of Christianity, laying the ground work for the final punch at the end.  He rightly suggests that in order to combat the religious nonsense that drives Muslim suicide attacks, American Christians need to turn that finger around and examine their own radical, exclusive belief system.

The entire read took me 2 hours.  Afterward I said aloud: “Yes, I absolutely agree.”  After sitting in contemplation for a moment I decided that it had been the best use of 2 hours in a long time to be enriched with the viewpoint Harris’ offered.  It is one of those books you feel like handing out to a fundy in your family who thinks their religion is the end-all, be-all and everyone else can go suck it.  It is almost as satisfying as knocking someone so pig-headed like that over the head with a board and shouting: “wake up you idiot! you do nothing but isolate yourself from reality!”  Intellectually satisfying.

Get a Letter to a Christian Nation or read Sam Harris’ other best seller: The End of Faith.

Audio taken from a Q&A of Richard Dawkins.

1. GIVE IT UP. Every Lent it never fails: my Facebook news feed is loaded with Christian acquaintances posting what superfluous toy or food they have decided to deprive themselves of for 40 days. I vaguely recall a passage in the gospels where Jesus rebukes the Pharisees for publicly displaying their fasting and how god will not "count" it on the list he is supposedly making and checking (twice). You poor martyrs! How terrible that you have to do without soda, candy, chocolate, video games, TV, etc for a WHOLE FORTY DAYS. Have you given any thought as to all those who live in abject poverty and NEVER have ANY of that stuff? How arrogant of you to think that your god will reward you for giving up such luxuries when so many starve to death every day because they have nothing to eat? Four years ago I gave up eating all processed sugars, sodas, fast food and excess. I have never owned a video game and have not owned a TV for 3 years. I do this because it benefits my health and encourages exploration of the world. I fail to see how you giving up candy for Lent and complaining about it does anything to benefit you or those who go without every day of their lives. For Lent, try giving up God and see how clear things become. 2. FISH. If you have ever cooked a meal for Christians on a Friday in Lent, you know about how they "deprive" themselves on Fridays in Lent (only 4-5 Fridays in the year) and make a big deal to make sure everyone knows they can't "eat meat". The last time I checked, fish was meat. This whole fish on Fridays tradition has an interesting metamorphoses through history. Fasting rules for Catholics in particular used to be very strict. It progressed from no meat allowed on EVERY Friday of the year to only Wednesday and Fridays during Lent and then lastly to "no meat" on only Fridays during Lent. Then, as people tend to do, the faithful found a loophole in their rules because they did not "count" fish as meat by saying that it came from water animals, not land animals. After decades of their flock bending the rules so they could have fish on Fridays, the Catholic Church under Pope Paul VI decided to allow Fish on Fridays in 1966. Now, I don't mind accommodating my vegan friends, people with allergies or intolerance to certain foods. What does bother me is the "poor me" message that "fasting" Christians bring to my dinner table and to the world. McDonald's even caters to their "fast" season, commercializing and capitalizing on the pointless tradition of one religion. I fail to see how eating expensive fish, now in short supply is a sacrifice. Another problem with Christians eating Fish on Fridays is overfishing and how much Christianity has helped to decimate global fish populations.1 Fish is an expensive, rare meat on our over-fished planet. Christians are happy to help themselves to the almost extinct Tuna and Salmon in the name of their religious "fasting". Eating a delicacy is a far cry from depriving one's self in the name of Jesus. I also fail to see how encouraging people to consume fish during Lent is an example of good stewardship of the earth. 3. OBESITY. The thin priest will talk about it, but the fat ones won't touch the subject. Gluttony, one of the 'seven deadly sins', plagues a large swath of the faithful across all Christian divides. They sit in their pews and hear about how they should give in charity, deny themselves pleasures. Yet they exit church each Sunday to find a doughnut at the community hall and fail to connect how eating 2 to 3 times the amount of calories needed to live each day equates to starving children dying in third world countries. Even here on American soil, families are finding it difficult to find enough food to survive and the pious obese flock to church every Sunday to be reassured by their pastor that they are checking off all the necessary dates to be admitted into heaven. This type of hypocrisy abounds during Lent when the biblical reading encourage homilies about abstinence, moderation, charity and self denial. Obesity is perhaps the most un-Christian behavior of all, exercising gluttony, sloth, greed, addiction, destruction of your "god-given" body and a complete lack of compassion for those who have no food to eat. I fail to see how being 200 pounds overweight exemplifies Christian behavior. 4. TRADITION. If you ask a Christian why they celebrate Lent, the common response is because Jesus went into the desert for 40 days. There he supposedly ate no food and was tempted by the Devil. The irony in this is that to remember this improbable story, Christians "deprive" themselves of American comforts and "fast" on Fridays, even though they found the loophole of eating meat. It is almost as meaningless as reenacting the cannibalism of eating the flesh and blood of Jesus with wafers and cheap wine. Oh wait... they already do that. 5. HISTORY. Let's put the record straight. There are rumors out there that Pope Paul IV had monetary interest in seeing a budding new fishing industry succeed. It is not improbable, but still devoid of sources. Pope Paul IV was rumored to have had a mistress who's husband owned a fishing fleet. What is known about Pope Paul IV was his strong Antisemitism and his major role during the Inquisition. In 1555 he issued canon law forcing Jews to live separate from Christians, which created the Roman Ghetto. He strengthened and reorganized the Inquisition and believed that outside of Catholicism there was no salvation. He also had fig leaves painted over the nudes in the Sistine Chapel. 2, 3 --------------------------------------------------------------------------------- REFERENCES 1. The Pope and the Price of Fish, Full article 2. Pope Paul IV, Biography 3. NNDB

1.  GIVE IT UP. Every Lent it never fails: my Facebook news feed is loaded with Christian acquaintances posting what superfluous toy or food they have decided to deprive themselves of for 40 days.  I vaguely recall a passage in the gospels where Jesus rebukes the Pharisees for publicly displaying their fasting and how god will not “count” it on the list he is supposedly making and checking (twice).  You poor martyrs!  How terrible that you have to do without soda, candy, chocolate, video games, TV, etc for a WHOLE FORTY DAYS.  Have you given any thought as to all those who live in abject poverty and NEVER have ANY of that stuff?  How arrogant of you to think that your god will reward you for giving up such luxuries when so many starve to death every day because they have nothing to eat?  Four years ago I gave up eating all processed sugars, sodas, fast food and excess.  I have never owned a video game and have not owned a TV for 3 years.  I do this because it benefits my health and encourages exploration of the world.  I fail to see how you giving up candy for Lent and complaining about it does anything to benefit you or those who go without every day of their lives.  For Lent, try giving up God and see how clear things become.

2. FISH. If you have ever cooked a meal for Christians on a Friday in Lent, you know about how they “deprive” themselves on Fridays in Lent (only 4-5 Fridays in the year) and make a big deal to make sure everyone knows they can’t “eat meat”.  The last time I checked, fish was meat.  This whole fish on Fridays tradition has an interesting metamorphoses through history.  Fasting rules for Catholics in particular used to be very strict.  It progressed from no meat allowed on EVERY Friday of the year to only Wednesday and Fridays during Lent and then lastly to “no meat” on only Fridays during Lent.  Then, as people tend to do, the faithful found a loophole in their rules because they did not “count” fish as meat by saying that it came from water animals, not land animals.  After decades of their flock bending the rules so they could have fish on Fridays, the Catholic Church under Pope Paul VI decided to allow Fish on Fridays in 1966.  Now, I don’t mind accommodating my vegan friends, people with allergies or intolerance to certain foods.  What does bother me is the “poor me” message that “fasting” Christians bring to my dinner table and to the world.    McDonald’s even caters to their “fast” season, commercializing and capitalizing on the pointless tradition of one religion.  I fail to see how eating expensive fish, now in short supply is a sacrifice.

Another problem with Christians eating Fish on Fridays is overfishing and how much Christianity has helped to decimate global fish populations.1 Fish is an expensive, rare meat on our over-fished planet.  Christians are happy to help themselves to the almost extinct Tuna and Salmon in the name of their religious “fasting”.  Eating a delicacy is a far cry from depriving one’s self in the name of Jesus. I also fail to see how encouraging people to consume fish during Lent is an example of good stewardship of the earth.

3. OBESITY. The thin priest will talk about it, but the fat ones won’t touch the subject.  Gluttony, one of the ‘seven deadly sins’, plagues a large swath of the faithful across all Christian divides.  They sit in their pews and hear about how they should give in charity, deny themselves pleasures.  Yet they exit church each Sunday to find a doughnut at the community hall and fail to connect how eating 2 to 3 times the amount of calories needed to live each day equates to starving children dying in third world countries.  Even here on American soil, families are finding it difficult to find enough food to survive and the pious obese flock to church every Sunday to be reassured by their pastor that they are checking off all the necessary dates to be admitted into heaven.  This type of hypocrisy abounds during Lent when the biblical reading encourage homilies about abstinence, moderation, charity and self denial.  Obesity is perhaps the most un-Christian behavior of all, exercising gluttony, sloth, greed, addiction, destruction of your “god-given” body and a complete lack of compassion for those who have no food to eat.  I fail to see how being 200 pounds overweight exemplifies Christian behavior.

4. TRADITION. If you ask a Christian why they celebrate Lent, the common response is because Jesus went into the desert for 40 days.  There he supposedly ate no food and was tempted by the Devil.  The irony in this is that to remember this improbable story, Christians “deprive” themselves of American comforts and “fast” on Fridays, even though they found the loophole of eating meat.  It is almost as meaningless as reenacting the cannibalism of eating the flesh and blood of Jesus with wafers and cheap wine.  Oh wait… they already do that.

5. HISTORY. Let’s put the record straight.  There are rumors out there that Pope Paul IV had monetary interest in seeing a budding new fishing industry succeed.  It is not improbable, but still devoid of sources.  Pope Paul IV was rumored to have had a mistress who’s husband owned a fishing fleet.  What is known about Pope Paul IV was his strong Antisemitism and his major role during the Inquisition.   In 1555 he issued canon law forcing Jews to live separate from Christians, which created the Roman Ghetto.  He strengthened and reorganized the Inquisition and believed that outside of Catholicism there was no salvation.   He also had fig leaves painted over the nudes in the Sistine Chapel. 2, 3

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REFERENCES

1. The Pope and the Price of Fish, Full article

2. Pope Paul IV, Biography

3. NNDB

From ProudAtheist, find out what the “Pear of Anguish” was used for.

Since Haiti was hit by the earthquake I have been patiently waiting for any religious person I know to excuse god for the disaster and blame “mother nature”.  I didn’t have to wait very long.  Haiti’s misfortune brings up the blaring inconsistency in religion, especially the monotheistic religions: the problem of good and evil.

Pat Robertson, Christian TV evangelist was so disabled by this conundrum that he publicly claimed the reason Haiti suffered such great misfortune was because they had “made a pact with the devil”. For Pat, this was a sufficient explanation for the recent Tsunami, Hurricane and now Earthquake that has brought this country to its most desperate hour.

Haiti serves as a prime example of the problem of “good and evil”.

Naturalists point out that if a god who is claimed to be omnipotent (all powerful) and omniscient (all knowing) controls the universe, by definition such a god must take credit for EVERYTHING that happens, not just the good stuff.  Such a god would know that an earthquake was about to happen and have the power to prevent it from happening. With this information about the omnipotent, omniscient god, we must conclude at least one of the following:
1. Such a god is intrinsically evil by allowing the disaster to hit
2. Such a god does not exist (omnipotent, omniscient)

A theist will disagree here and say that god does not control the evils in the world because Adam and Eve sinned and the rest of humanity must suffer because of their sin. This leads us to conclude that the omnipotent, omniscient god has no sense of what constitutes a “just” punishment for the “sin” of two humans. We must also consider that if the theist’s argument that “evils like Tsunami’s are not god’s fault” rests on the existence of two storybook characters in Genesis the argument falls apart.  We begin to doubt the historical accuracy of the Adam and Eve  story because it is embedded in a creation myth that sets the earth at 10,000 years old, having been fashioned in 7 days by a sky-god.

But most importantly, the counter argument to those who say “evil is the devil’s doing, not god’s” places the omni-god in a position of NOT being omnipotent.   If the omni-god is not in control of nature, this by definition deems him not omnipotent.  This leaves us to conclude that the omni-god is either:
1. Not actually omnipotent or
2.  Unjust in dealing out his punishments and hence, if he be doing the punishing for Adam’s sin, he IS responsible for earthquakes and natural disasters (omnipotent)

This past weekend I listened to a Catholic homily by a deacon who was trying to help his congregation understand how to reconcile god with the Haiti earthquake. His best shot was to tell a little story about a mother in Haiti who dug her children out of the rubble of her home and saved their lives. All three of her children lived (after extensive medical surgury and the science of medicine).  She told reporters that “now she knew that god loved her”. The deacon pointed out that good can come of such atrocities like this women who finally knew that god loved her. He failed to bring up all the other thousands who perished or the other mothers whose children were crushed and killed. Did ‘god’ love them? It was perhaps the weakest argument of the century. What a fickle god Christians daily defend.

Don’t pray or wish that Haiti be helped, do something to help.  Donate to a non-theistic charity organization dedicated to helping Haiti.

Brain washing has turned into Branding.  PZ Myer’s, biologist and outspoken Atheist gives his parental perspective on this latest Christian branding trend:

Read the article

From the Angry Atheist:

Behavioral scientists have provided a window into how religion resides in the human brain.  A study published in in the Nov. 30 early edition of the Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences discusses how people infer their own opinions and judgments onto their “god”, using their own moral instincts to conclude that the imaginary being they worship must think similarly. From Science Daily:

The final study involved functional magnetic resonance imaging to measure the neural activity of test subjects as they reasoned about their own beliefs versus those of God or another person. The data demonstrated that reasoning about God’s beliefs activated many of the same regions that become active when people reasoned about their own beliefs.

The researchers noted that people often set their moral compasses according to what they presume to be God’s standards. “The central feature of a compass, however, is that it points north no matter what direction a person is facing,” they conclude. “This research suggests that, unlike an actual compass, inferences about God’s beliefs may instead point people further in whatever direction they are already facing.”

Read more at Science Daily

Mr. Deity hashes out the confusion with Jesus:

This series explores how fundamental Christianity is using the military as an active extention of their “mission” to make the USA a Christian nation.

The most disturbing thing I heard from this documentary was that Christian soldiers are convinced they are fighting in the middle east in the name of Christianity.  Also,  for active troops there is no alternative to religious gatherings.  Humanist or psycological support for the emotionally depraved soldiers are not provided or funded alongside the thousands of Chaplin.  So sad… they are preying on the emotionally vulnerable and the state is not providing alternatives to find support without the superstitions and myths attached.


This seemed to me like a fruition of what the movie “Jesus Camp” fosters.  If you haven’t seen, go find it.

A recent article in New Scientist gave us a glimpse into the family feud between Christian Creationists and Christian Evolutionists.  Not suprisingly, each side puts up a website designed to give credibility to their side of the story.

What tickles me pink is that both sides look indistinguishable from the standpoint of a scientist and atheist.  Ultimately, Creationists argue that “god created the universe as it appears today out of thin air” while their friends on the other side of the mud flinging fence say that “god created the circumstances for the known universe out of thin air.”  Ultimately, they are arguing for the same thing (that a magic man did it), while throwing spit balls at each other over where to place the magic man in the history of the universe.  It is no different than seeing a peach on the ground underneath a tree and agreeing with your friend that Zeus made that peach fall, while arguing with your friend over whether or not Zeus put it there on the ground or whether he put the peach tree there to make the peach to fall on the ground.

Let’s be fair to the Creationists though.  The reason they must defend the bible’s position that the earth is 6,000 years old and that humans are all decended from one man and one women is to defend their entire religion.  If the creation story is just a myth, a story, a nice little bedtime tale as the modern Christian believes, then what is the point of Jesus?  According to the bible, Adam and Eve sinned by eating an apple, thus making God upset.  God then sent himself in the form of Jesus to placate himself for that little Eden upset.  You may agree that even if the Eden/Creation story is true, that circular reasoning sounds like bullshit, however this is what 75% of Americans are told sounds reasonable.  So, to defend their religion, the Creationists are forced to argue against evolution in order to keep intact the entire POINT of their religious following.  That Jesus came to die because of what happened in the Creation/Eden story.

Being a outspoken Facebooker and Blogger, I get a fair amount of email.  This one shocked me because of the author’s uninformed disposition.  The name has been changed to protect identity.
Kara:
I’m sorry if I’m bringing up a touchy subject with you, but a mythical deity? How can you think or say that Jesus Christ is mythical? Just look all around you at everything and everyone, even your beautiful Arizona couldn’t have just appeared. Someone had to create it; and that was God. And this is the greatest weekend in the history of the Catholic Church, when we celebrate Jesus’ life, passion, death, and resurrection! How and why did this change in religion come about? Again, sorry if this is a touchy subject, but I’m very surprised. You were raised Catholic, attend a Catholic University.

What is Astrophysics? Never heard of it! Lol! Well, I hope everything works out for you. And I will keep you in my prayers!

Chrystine:
Thanks for opening up discussion. This is by no means a touchy subject and something that I am happy to talk about with others.

Having been indoctrinated with religion, I was given a chance to think for myself upon entering college and found that religion does not stand up to the microscope of logic and reasoning.

The universe and the small planet we call earth are all a result of the “big bang” and the aftermath of that. Life began on earth in the microbial stages billions of years ago and evolution has taken life to what it is today. Through technology we have been able to find over 1 billion galaxies in our universe. Each of those galaxies has aprox. 1 billion planets within it. Therefore, there is 1 billion billion planets (at least) in our known universe. If you say that the chance of an earthlike planet being formed is a 1 in a billion chance, you still have 1 billion earthlike planets that could have formed. The odds are rather high, even for a probability equation. None of this gives evidence to a sky-god.

You say “someone had to create it; and that was God”. Why did someone have to create it? Why is that the only option? Just because we do not understand something does not give us credence to shove a god into that crack of the unknown. Religion has operated in this sense for many years. we didn’t understand lighting so Zeus must be throwing it down. we didn’t understand rain, so God must be opening flood hatches to dump water on us. we didn’t understand the sun and moon so we worshiped them. the church was convinced the earth was flat, and then that the earth was the center of our solar system. Wherever science honestly says “we don’t know the answer, but we are looking for evidence of the correct answer” religion steps in and shoves god into that gap. That is otherwise known as “God of the Gaps”. I have yet to see provable, repeatable evidence for any type of god.

Kara:
Hmm… If you couldn’t guess already, I don’t agree with you in the least. The Catholic Church is my everything and I will do my very best to defend Her. From what you’ve wrote above, you have studied this and I have studied my Catholic Faith, but you’ll have to give me a little bit to gather my thoughts! :) But, in reaction to the “big band” theory you believe in, (I hope this doesn’t come across as sarcastic) but saying that the world just “became” or “came into exsistence” is like saying that a dictionary is the product of an explosion in a printing factory. The Book of Genesis, says it all. It takes you through day by day of how God created the universe. Now all of the information you gave above of the billions of galaxies seem to be information from within the big bang theory and therefore, I don’t believe it. As for evolution, do you believe that we evolved from apes? Because if you do… why are there still apes on this planet? Adam, the first human being, did not just come to be. God created him from the dust of the earth. That is why on Ash Wednesday, at the beginning of Lent, we have ashes placed on our foreheads and the words “Remember you are dust and to dust you shall return” are said. God then created Eve, from Adam’s rib. From Adam and Eve came the rest of the human race. There are some things that we need to just believe and not always have an exact reason or logic for. Again, in the Bible Jesus Christ said: “Blessed are those who have not seen and yet believed.” The supernatural things throughout the Catholic Faith, for instance: The Eucharist, Heaven, Purgatory, Hell, Christ’s Resurrection and Ascension into Heaven are things that a human cannot wrap their mind around and will go absolutely crazy trying to figure out. This is where God, Jesus Christ, and the Catholic Church come into play. Seminarians, Theologians, Priests, Deacons, Bishops, Cardinals, and Popes have studied this and questions like these for centuries and the only way any of this world can be true is if someone supernatural created it. Which brings me to the question: “Where do you believe that people go after they die?” We don’t just cease to exsist. Depending on the way we live out life, we will go to Heaven and spend eternity with Our Almighty Father, Jesus Christ, the Blessed Virgin Mary, and all the saint and angels, or we will go to Hell and burn in fire with the devil and his followers. And yet there is hope for those who die with sin still on their soul. These people go to Purgatory and are purified from their sin and then will be taken to Heaven. Those are my thoughts and belief’s. I have many more but I don’t think Facebook has the capacity to hold them all! :)

Chrystine:
The bible says the earth is 6,000 years old. Science and evidence through carbon dating and zirconium dating have dated the earth to be 4.5 billion years old. Astrophysics has established that it has been 13.7 billion earth years since the big bang. all these numbers are supported by evidence, repeatable math equations, fossil records and physics. arguing against it is the modern equivalent of saying the earth is flat.

Humans did not evolve from apes. do some research on this from non religious science sources. Humans, Neanderthals and apes and chimps evolved from previous lines of now extinct ape like ancestors. That humans somehow evolved from monkeys is the uneducated reply to evolution.

You claim god created the universe. Prove it. Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.

What is your proof that something happens to humans after death? Humans have created the allusion of eternal life because death scares us. Our brains do not know what it is like to not exist. However I did not exist for billions of years before I was born and I imagine I will be just fine not existing for billions of years after I die. There will be no “me” to be sad or concerned about it either.

How Evolution works: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GpNeGuuuvTY

Kara:
Well, for my point of veiw this hasn’t really been “fun”, because I’m worried about your soul. I’m glad you enjoyed it though. Again, I must say I’m extremely shocked at your change of religious beliefs. God bless you Christine and I will pray for you. AND I will also come up with form of proof for you in the future! :) And then we shall continue this discussion! Talk to you later!

Chrystine:
If you can prove that I have a soul, I will let you be worried about it. :) Please do not pray for me, as it is a true waste of time and will amount to nothing. Instead, educate yourself and branch out from your comfort zone. It is refreshing outside the box. I look forward to your proofs, though I must warn you I haven’t found one yet that has held up to logic. Let me leave you with this little gem:

In The God Delusion, Dawkins discusses evolutionary by products. The example he chooses to use is a moth flying into a flame as a demonstration of what we see as abject stupidity. Why would a moth deliberately fly into a flame?

This is not an example of natural selection….it is an example of natural selection gone wrong. Moths evolved to fly at night by using celestial objects as guides: Keep the light source in a certain position and you can navigate, much as we do with a compass which points north. Dawkins notes that it was not until comparatively late in evolutionary history that there was anything like artificial lights to throw off the moths. We see only the moths who get distracted by the flames. We do not see millions of moths who merrily go on their way without self-immolating themselves.

So, what is the Darwinian answer to religion? Dawkins sees it this way.

“My specific hypothesis is about children. More than any other species we survive by the accumulated experience of previous generations and that experience needs to be passed on to children for their protection and well-being. Theoretically, children might learn from personal experience not to go too near a cliff-edge, not to eat untried red berries, not to swim in crocodile-infested waters. But, to say the least, there will be a selective advantage to child brains that possess the rule of thumb: believe, without question, whatever your grown-ups tell you. Obey your parents; obey the tribal elders, especially when they adopt a solemn, minatory tone. Trust your elders without question. This is a generally valuable rule for a child. But, as with the moths, it can go wrong.”

Dawkins then continues:

“Natural selection builds child brains with a tendency to believe whatever their parents and tribal elders tell them. Such trusting obedience is valuable for survival: the analogue of steering by the moon for a moth. But the flip side of trusting obedience is slavish gullibility. The inevitable by-produce is vulnerability to infection by mind viruses. For excellent reasons related to Darwinian survival, child brains need to trust parents and elders whom parents tell them to trust. An automatic consequence is that the truster has no way of distinguishing good advice from bad. The child cannot know that “Don’t paddle in the crocodile-infested Limpopo” is good advice but “You must sacrifice a goat at the time of the full moon, otherwise the rains will fail” is at best a waste of time and goats. Both admonitions sound equally trustworthy. Both come from a respected source and are delivered with a solemn earnestness that commands respect and demands obedience.”

The Jesuit maxim “Give me the child until he is seven and I will give you the man” clearly understand the net result of this principle.

It should not surprise you that abortion rights extremists are praising the murder of abortion clinic doctor George Tiller this week.   Dr. Tiller was shot and killed while he was serving as an usher at his home church in Kansas.  The killer was motivated to shoot Tiller on account of his day job.

Pro-life advocates are now publicly lauding the actions of Tiller’s killer because they claim that the murder was justified.   This should not come as a shock to the non-religious, as the typical pro-lifer is Christian and a follower of the bronze age book of morals, the bible.  The bible has an interesting story in Judges 11 where a man named Jephthah asks his god to help him commit mass genocide on a neighboring tribe because they have a practice of offering child sacrifices to their gods.  Because Jephthah’s god has ordered that “Thou Shalt Not Kill”, Jephthah finds it his duty to stop their murderous acts.  But get this: he does so by killing the entire tribe.  Murder.  Yes, Jephthah justifies answering murder with murder.  To top it off, Jephthah had made a deal with god so that if Jephthah was successful in his genocide, he promised to sacrifice to his god the first thing that walks through his door upon returning home. (He of course hoping it might be a servant or slave).  Instead, his daughter greets him.  So he keeps his promise to the lord of “Thou shalt not kill” and  murders her as well (after she bewails her virginity).

To all those who applaud what Dr. Tiller’s killer has done, I would like for them to personally tell his wife and children that they think he deserved to die.  Unbelievable behavior….

I am very vocal on facebook about my opinions on current events and religious idocity.  I commonly post videos and links about science or atheism.  Harkening back to my days as a homeschooled, brainwashed catholic, I have a good handful of “carry-over” facebook friends that undoubtedly shuffle through my outspoken linkage on the FB.  As a result, i get a lot of personal messages (as well as public ones) from people defending their religion or challenging my atheism.  I love this sort of dialogue, however there have been a few nasty ones that resulted in me being taken off a friend list (yes, like in gradeschool).  Here is one of the best (name has been changed to protect identity).

Ann:
You’re entitled to think what you want about God, but to make gross generalizations about religion promoting ignorance or a lack of understanding really is just that, ignorant, and it’s also malicious. I follow God because he’s the reason the universe exists in the complexity of the organization that it does. There has to be a reason all this matter is here in such minute organization and with so many defined laws of nature. What I’ve learned clicks with the teachings of Christ. I study theology, science and the Bible to understand my faith and search for the truth more than I study material for my career or anything else I read for fun. So before you make generalizations knocking everyone else’s faith just because you had a bad experience with yours, please keep in mind that everyone has reasons for their faith, some better than others. Not everyone understands their own faith, and that’s tragic. I know you know what God’s teachings are, and you know those aren’t the problem in this world. Religion has done vastly more good than evil. People are the problem, godless ones just as much as people of faith. The act of following God, when it’s done the way God wants us to, is not the problem. I sincerely hope you find your way back to God, but until you do, please refrain from insulting everyone else’s faith.

Chrystine:
Thanks for opening up discussion.

You speak of knowing that a god is the starter of the universe. How do you know this? I am a reasonable, rational being and when presented with evidence or proof, I accept the claim provided the evidence is provable and repeatable.

You say you have faith, but what is that? Faith is believing in something that has no evidence or proof. I do not see that behavior as commendable. Here we are back to my status message. Religion makes a virtue out of not knowing something, assuming an answer devoid of evidence and calling it the truth. On top of this, religions start wars, control others who disagree promoting hatred, cover up child rape, deal in hoards of money through mega churches, and even discourage science at every crossroad; ALL in the name of a god.

Until the claim for a god can be proven, I will remove myself from superstitious groups and challenge those who blindly follow groups that promote ignorance and human suffering on so many different levels.

George W Bush once said that God told him to start the war in the middle East. In normal society, people who hear voices in their head telling them to harm others are committed to a mental institution for treatment. Somehow if the voice hearer claim a sky god was the voice, then we let them obey those “voices in their head” and even defend them.

Ann:
I wasn’t trying to open up discussion about this. I have reasons for following God and you have reasons for being an atheist. Like I said, you’re entitled to think whatever you want. But you can think it without hurling insults at religion and making gross generalizations about Christians. I try to follow Jesus’ teachings and he never promoted hatred, covered up child rape or dealt with hoards of money or started wars. I took you off my friends list because I was just sick of seeing it. It’s bigotry and you’re using some nasty stereotypes. I’m tired of seeing it so I took you off my friends list so I won’t have to. I was just hoping you would realize what you’re doing.

Chrystine:
that’s fine. I understand that u can’t defend what u think and it is easier to make me go away than argue your side.

Ann:
This isn’t about defending what I think, it’s about you being nasty and offensive. I’m not going to waste my time arguing with you because it would be like what they say about wrestling with a pig. You only get dirty and the pig likes it.

Chrystine:
I have a hard time understanding what is offensive about logic and reason. If you find it in you to insult me by comparing me to a pig that is your prerogative.

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And here is where I was removed from her “friend list” and conveniently ignored without reply.

How naive do you have to be to design this item?!? Sometimes I think religious people encase themselves in such a thick taboo bubble that they cannot see things as they are. Seriously…