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In response to “Homeschooling Concerns Baseless”

In the blogosphere VJACK posted Atheist Homeschooling which ushered quite a response from many different viewpoint. 20 posts down, a homeschooling mom supplied a link to her blog where she replied to VJACK in Homeschooling Concerns Baseless. Not to be confusing, but this was my response to a piece of her post…

I just want to address this one paragraph.

Alasandra said:

“Funnily enough the opposite argument (it could be argued that a CHRISTIAN parent who homeschools might be doing his or her children a disservice by depriving them of the opportunity to learn how to navigate the challenges of living as an CHRISTIAN among a largely secular/materalistic populace) is often made in reference to religious homeschoolers who feel the public schools are a cesspool of secular humanism. Homeschoolers do not live in splendid isolation. We meet all sorts of people from various backgrounds merely by going about our daily lives.”

1) ‘Funnilly’ is an adverb that serves little or no purpose in the sentence. Just had to get that out of the way.

2) Christian parents in America need not worry about helping their children navigate about a secular world. Only 16% of Americans openly profess no religion. That is only the ones who feel like they won’t be persecuted or made fun of by saying they don’t subscribe to mystical fantasies. Christians seem have the upper hand in America (so far). A few examples: Mormons have even been able to block homosexuals from receiving the same civil liberties as heterosexuals. In the state of Arkansas it is unlawful (according to the state’s constitution) for an atheist to hold public office or testify in a court of Law. Discrimination abounds against atheists and I agree with VJACK that children who decide to be atheist have many social challenges to face by not labeling themselves to a religion.

Alasandra goes on to say:

“It’s also ironic that VJACK assumes that his children will share his atheist beliefs, but then I suppose he intends to brainwash or indoctrinate them with his beliefs.”

Most parents assume that their children will follow their own world view. Religious folk are most at fault for this. In the Christian faith parents and god-parents take a promise at his baptism that they will indoctrinate the child with the religion. It is very rare for a person to switch faiths as an adult, which makes childhood indoctrination for religion a vital means to maintain their numbers. Atheists hold the premise that nobody so far has all the answers. Information and knowledge seeking are held in high regard for the atheist because saying “we don’t know” and having the humble approach to life’s puzzles requires one to be open to science, new ideas and ways of thinking. This is the kind of world view that an atheist encourages her children to adopt. The religious parent on the other hand imbues in their child a sense of certainty about a mythical being and set of human rules attached to that mythology. This encourages the child to be externally motivated by the religion and not internally motivated by their own self worth and sense of right and wrong.

Next time I suggest Alasandra back up the statements made with sound arguments, evidence. The current method of pointing fingers does little to advance the discussion.

To continue the discussion:

I too was enrolled in homeschool coops, took “classes” from other parents than my own and started taking college courses at two local schools when I was 17. However, my education was still largely controlled and censored by my religious parents. Academically I was prepared for college, but socially I was shamefully ill equipped. In a school setting, children are provided with perspectives and knowledge from a very wide pool of minds. These minds DO have opinion and varying teaching styles. That is what provides students with internally motivated methods of information evaluation. They learn to take things with a grain of salt and be investigative instead of believe everything that is tossed into their brains.

The peer pressure I experienced as a child from my homeschooling friends was not equal to that of public school children. Everyone I knew was indoctrinated with the same religion, shared the same ethnicity and had vary little variance from child to child. There was little or no exposure to people or ideas that differed from what my parents believed or were. I was allowed to participate in the soccer team from the local public school for a number of years. Socially, I was very different than those girls and I knew it, I just couldn’t figure out why at that age.

I do not oppose homeschooling as a valid educational choice. Everyone is entitled to raise their children as they please so long as they children are not harmed by it (physically). As a child I liked being homeschooled because I got done with the school hours before the other kids, I could do school in my PJs, and I didn’t have to deal with the peer pressure from school. My parents liked homeschooling me and my sister because it gave them full control and censorship from reality. Looking back, I know that those reasons for liking homeschooling were terrible reasons that caused damage that I spent a few years of college undoing: the social inability and religious indoctrination smothered who I really was. As a child, I of course choose the candy bar over the broccoli when it came to my education.

When it boils down, my parents steered me to be externally motivated and not internally motivated. From my experiences I have decided that if my children need their public school material supplemented, I will do so in addition to their regular schooling. Whether they excel or need a little extra help, supplemental material can be provided at home aside from regular school.

Many children from religious families are psycologically bullied by their parents to believe in whatever religion the family subscribes to. Children should be allowed to make up their own minds about mythology and religion without fear of ridicule from their parents. Guide, then step aside.

For any parent, I highly recommend reading “Raising Children Who think for themselves” by Elisa Medhus

  • noreply@blogger.com (Alasandra)

    It sounds as if your parents had a very controlling parenting style that would have been just as harmful IF you attended public school. I know from experience as my parents were very controlling and extremely religious. Even though I was sent to public school I wasn't allowed to do the things the other kids were. I couldn't go to their houses to visit they had to come to mine (guess how many choose to hang out at my house?), and I couldn't take part in any after school activities. My upbringing was very different from the majority of my public school peers so I very often felt like an outsider and never really fit into any of the cliques.

    One of my challenges as a homeschooling parent was to insure that my children had the opportunity to experience different viewpoints. We belong to an inclusive homeschool group which is terrific most of the time. I moderate my local group and one of my challenges is to keep the Fundamentalist Christians from pushing their views on the rest of us.

    The goal of every parent no matter what educational choice they make for their children should be to raise children that can think for themselves. I have always been baffled by parents who stifled their children's ability to think for themselves. What will those children do when Mom & Dad aren't around to tell them what to think? Sadly many of those children who are incapable of thinking for themselves wind up letting some unscrupulous peer do their thinking for them.

  • noreply@blogger.com (Alasandra)

    I noticed your polls in the side bar. I think marriage is a civil right.

    I couldn’t find an answer for the second question though, maybe you could add other to the poll
    How do you feel about religion?

    The answer for me is I feel religion is a personal choice and we all have to find our own way. The bible is just a book. Which after being translated numerous times can’t be relied on to be accurate to the original manuscript.

  • http://LiberatedMind.com noreply@blogger.com (Writings of a Liberated Mind)

    A:
    Our parents seem to have stifled us each in a different setting. I think the difference was that as a child I rarely had an escape being at home all the time. I can’t speak for you, but I imagine you were exposed to more of reality than I was at a young age and used that exposure to gain a different worldview than your parents.

    Secondly, everything we do is a personal choice. Religion is not “off limits” from logic and reason because it is a personal choice. In any other topic of life, we expect logic and debate. For example if I decided to dance around trees and said that acorns were telling me to kill kittens, animal rights activists would be all over me and clinically I would be labeled with some type of psycosis. However, if I said that god spoke to me through the acorns and it is my religious personal choice to sacrifice kittens while tree dancing suddenly my behavior is “off limits” and becomes a taboo “personal choice”. In the bible Abraham hears a voice in his head tell him to sacrifice Isaac. He proceeds to to do but stops when that voice tells him to stop. People claim the same today and some actually follow through with it. Today those people are named unfit to care for their children and are incarserated. Religion has a strange way of condoning harmful or psycotic behavior.

  • noreply@blogger.com (Alasandra)

    I understand what you are saying but I don’t think any rational human is going to listen to voices in their head. And luckily today we understand they are mentally ill instead of burning them at the stake as witches.

    And you are 100% right religion should not be off limits from logic and reason.

    Kindergarten – 6th grade school was HELL for me due to a school bully and a verbally abusive 4th grade teacher, I was more then happy to escape to my home. Even though my Mother refused to believe school was as awful as I said it was. I was eventually rescued from the 4th grade teacher when my music teacher walked in on her abusing me, but the student bullying continued.

    7th grade I was nearly killed when two black girls pulled a knife on me at school, when I tried to stop them from taking my cousins lunch money. Luckily my best friend forever (who I didn’t know yet) entered the fight (she still doesn’t know why she did cause the #1 rule was you looked the other way and didn’t get involved in fights that didn’t concern you). And there was the Atheist teacher who was determined to make my life hell because my parents were Christians. If she had ever bothered to get to know me she would have learned that I agreed with her views more then I agreed with my parents. Instead she choose to ridicule me in front of the class.

    8th-12th grade was OK. Especially 10th grade when our English teacher left after a week and we didn’t have a teacher for the rest of the year that was fun (until 11th grade when we were all behind and we were honors English students until that point)

  • noreply@blogger.com (Alasandra)

    Oh my great escape was reading and that is probably where I developed my different world view. But I only had to walk next door to get books and they were much more enlightening then any of the textbooks the public school issued.

    And with the Internet a whole world is at your fingertips, even if you are homeschooled.